Royal debate over baby elephant's name
Two Australian academics want a baby elephant to be named after a political prisoner in Thailand, as a way to draw attention to his case.
The elephant was born at Sydney's Taronga Zoo and is the first to be born in Australia. It's sure to be a drawcard for visitors but will it be named after Suwicha Thakor, who was jailed for insulting Thailand's king?
Presenter: Sen Lam
Speakers: Dr Andrew Walker, fellow at the Australian National University
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WALKER: Suwicha Thakor is a political prisoner in Thailand. He's been sentenced to 10 years in prison for posting satirical images of the Thai King on the internet. It's an outrageous and draconian charge and we think that naming the baby elephant after him is a good way of highlighting Australia's concern about his fate.
LAM: What does Taronga Zoo make of you politicising their little baby elephant?
WALKER: We haven't had any reaction from the zoo yet, but I think it's important to remember that in South East Asia and in Thailand in particular, elephants for a very long time have been a symbol of power and politics and we're trying to pick up on that symbolism to gently make a very important point about human rights.
LAM: And of course, the baby elephant is behind bars like the political prisoner?
WALKER: That's right and we're also trying to highlight the fact that due to the very good care provided at Taronga, the life of the baby elephant behind bars will be much, much more pleasant than the life Suwicha Thakor faces in a Thai prison.
LAM: The lese majeste law in Thailand is there because the people of Thailand love their king, but so to many people, it would seem that Suwicha Thakor did break the law and did offend a few people?
WALKER: Well, the lese majeste law is there to prevent political discussion on certain issues related to the monarchy and whatever we might think about whether Suwicha was disrespectful or impolite, that might be one issue. Putting someone in prison for ten years for being disrespectful and perhaps impolite, is a draconian and excessive charge.
LAM: How much support have you had from the wider community in Thailand? Have you put out your feelers there?
WALKER: Well, we've certainly had some positive reaction on the blog that we run and a number of international blogs have picked it up. There is a campaign going on in Thailand to reform this very draconian lese majeste law and we're trying to offer our international support to people who are campaigning for human rights at considerable personal risk to themselves.
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Comments
Do you know who is Dr Andrew
Do you know who is Dr Andrew Walker? Does he represent Austrarian's position on the issue? Go to his website and understand his political position before you make a judgement.
Come on Somsak, do you really
Come on Somsak, do you really think anyone deserves 10 years jail for posting satirical images on the net?
I'm Australian, and I disagree with Andrew Walker on many things, but I agree with his view that putting someone in prison for ten years for being disrespectful and perhaps impolite, is a draconian and excessive charge.
Given the full facts, I think most Australians (& Japanese!) would come to the same conclusion.
I quite like Andrew Walker
I quite like Andrew Walker and ..Nicholas(?)'s site : the New Mandala. Somsak, have u been visiting that site often? Keen to see yr comments there. I once read Andrew Walker's article on sustainable/self-sufficiency economy in Thailand and I suspect u migh not like it. I, however, find his writing quite interesting.
Hobby, I don't like this
Hobby, I don't like this insensitive, provocative gimmic by foreingers to push their agenda. And I think it will not do good for anybody. This type of gimmic will never work on Thais, but rather stiffen them, who consider it as an unwarrantable act of foreigners disrespectfull of their country. (Joy, I just explain the general response from Thais, whom I think that are "average" I'm not talking about you.) So his action will not serve his purpose.
It's even not good for Thakor who's anxiously waiting for pardon. This campaign might grade up his case to a matter of national pride, and make his early release more difficult. But to tell the truth, I don't worry much about it because I don't think this "campaign"will be successful even in Australia, so consequently very few Thais will know this information. In short, this campaign will have litte affects on anybody except that it gave some satisfaction to the organizers.
Khun Somsak, Your main point,
Khun Somsak,
Your main point, that foreigners are using a privileged position to push their own agenda, is a reasonable one. I certainly think the huge outpouring of support for Harry Nicolaides was out of proportion to the issue.
However, isn't the ten-year sentence for Suwicha exactly the sort of cause that you yourself should support? Especially when compared to the case of Harry Nicolaides? Why aren't you advocating for more mercy for Suwicha? Instead, you focus on Andrew Walker for saying the obvious, that Suwicha has been sentenced to an unjustly long and punitive prison term.
How often in Thai history have Thai citizens sought the freedom of their own political prisoners? How often have clemency movements been launched at the grass-roots level? Before we accept Khun Somsak's criticism of Andrew, can we look at the way Thai citizens help the unjustly imprisoned?
But then again, Mr. Sloane,
But then again, Mr. Sloane, if the privileged don't use their privileged position in order to help the unprivileged, then who will?
Anyway, your comment is really on the spot, and very balanced.
Yes, if it's a call for
Yes, if it's a call for clemency, (that is the way pardon is given, anyway), it would be more acceptable by Thai society than the provocative approach by the foreigners who bend backward to depict the current political situaion as a "class struggle"
I am not sure whether the sentence is too harsh or not. I don't think this is something I am suppoused to judge. If Thai people think it's too harsh, they will revise the law in one way or another. If they think that such a penalty is necessary to protect their revered institution, the law will go on. This is my basic stance on the issue, because I believe that outsiders should not touch upon the certain things related to the core values in their host countries.
Besides, Thai "elite" in their definition" is considerably responsive to the demand of the grass root people, in particular, when facing crisis. I think this is a secret of comperative success of Thailand in the region. They will find out the best possible ballance on this issue, too, without a louzy interference from outsiders.
Somsak: If someone was jailed
Somsak: If someone was jailed for 10 years for posting satirical images of you on the internet, would you be able to sit back and watch him rot in jail when it was within your power to free him?
Would you want to teach him a lesson and make him serve the full term, or just how long would you want him to be in jail?
Would you be concerned about whether he was a breadwinner for a family who may fall upon hard times, or would you just be content to say: he knew the rules, so it serves him right?
What sort of person are you Somsak?
Hobby, how many times should
Hobby, how many times should I say? It's not my business, but Thais should decide whether the sentence is too harsh or not.
But if somebody come and ask me to sigh for his pardon, I would do it for him (if my signiture has any meaning), because as you said, he is a breadwinner, and he showed his remorse by having pleaded his guilt in the court. This is the way parden is given to him. Why don't you encourage your Thai friends to do that, if you really feel sorry for him?(I doubt it) I'm almost sure that his sentence will be shorten in this way.
Somsak, I'm really glad to
Somsak, I'm really glad to read you'd sign. Anyway, the Thais can't decide whether the sentence is harsh or not. They have no power on this.
Somsak: There may be some
Somsak: There may be some sort of cultural misunderstanding here.
Just so you know:- I could not sleep at night if someone was jailed for 1 night (let alone 10 years) for posting satirical images of me on the internet, and I would be doing everything I could to get him out of that situation.
Alex, Why? It's a Thai law,
Alex, Why? It's a Thai law, they can revise the law through the parliament, if they really think it's necessary, although I don't think this is so attractive issue in the election campaign for the oppostion party.(I mean Puea Thai)
Hobby, I think that the pardon will be given to him, if Thakor is smart enough to refuse to become a propaganda tool for the foreigners like Andrew Walker.
What's happening to Thai PBS?
What's happening to Thai PBS? There have been a freezen frame for more than 30 minutes. I think it's time to send the spoiled kids back to the place which originally they belonged to. Kindergaten.
.. I know what can stir Thais
.. I know what can stir Thais up even more than Suwicha;s case--the traffic issue..
because it affects their life directly (whereas most will ignore this news, because it doesn't).... can't comment much.
(sorry to be off-topic again:Somsak
Joy, I don't like them. They
Joy, I don't like them. They should understand the privilege comes with special obligations.(Spiderman, correct line?) and more obviously, they are bad because they can kill the people by their crazy driving.
I also don't like the Thai entertainment industry which looks like a play ground of the rich, spoiled kids. (I am maily talking about TVs, Thai movies are great, much better than Japaense films which became a mere shadow of its former self.)
Somsak, are u and "Khon:
Somsak, are u and "Khon: "Human in Thai"? The same poster??
Joy, คน is my handle name in
Joy, คน is my handle name in Prachatai Thai language version. I don't know why, but it's always coming back automatically in "your name" field of English version.
I start practicing Thai again by sending posts in Thai.
Sounds interesting! I might
Sounds interesting! I might drop by Prachatai Thai and have a look at yr Thai language posts hehehe:-) Sorry to be off-topic again! (Did u post much abt baby elephant's name?? I have not looked up Prachatai Thai for a while. )
Joy, Please don't do that. My
Joy, Please don't do that. My Thai is even worse than my English. Besides, คน does not necessarily means that the poster is me. Others might use it because it's easy to type. Only two actions. Cheers